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Ravelry Drama

March 16, 2009
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Sigh. Drama is everywhere.  I guess, to start at the beginning, I was a little uncomfortable when a group was shut down on Ravelry that was polictically based.  It was not pornographic or otherwise inappropriate- it was just a group of individuals that does not represent the majority belief set of those on Ravelry (please don’t think that I am posting this just because I am a little conservative… I wouldn’t have cared if all this had gone down with a Socialist group- I sitll don’t like it!!) It still felt a little uncomfortable, but okay, I got the story that the mods and members were creating problems, starting arugments, breaking rules…that made more sense….okay.

Well, now, a large number of people have had their Rav accounts suspended.  Those people range from the ring leaders of this mess to anyone who has accessed a certain off Rav site where the drama moved. One of those included was Squibstitcher- aka Jen, organizer of the Vamp Sock Club that I am lucky enough to be in this year- who is by far one of the nicest, most accomodating, least contoversial people I have met on Ravelry…she supposedly accessed the site, but many folks are saying that IP addresses could have been faked and even confused so basically she just got lumped in!!!  or maybe she is just nosy like me.  She could heard about some of the stuff going on and wanted to see what it was about ….. I am a lurker- I read what is going on in many group in which I am not involved and in many groups where I don’t necessarily agree with what is going on, but that doesn’t mean that I am supporting their cause or trying to undermine another cause just by something I am reading.  I’ll admit I don’t have all of the details and I do understand that several posters on that site took unauthorized screen shots and such of Rav, but should EVERYONE that EVER accessed the site be suspended??  IT IS NOT RIGHT!!

IT IS DOWNRIGHT SCARY!  Ravelry has became an ESSENTIAL part of knitting and crocheting today.  You can’t function without it- maybe without the forums (even though the help I have gotten there is WORTH MILLIONS!) and such, but the access to patterns and the “news” has become a tool that I can’t live without.  In lieu of all this,  I am scared to access certain sites.  I am scared to read up on what exactly went down with this suspension thing.  I left the conservative groups I was a member of.  I don’t want to be kicked off of Ravelry for something stupid….I don’t post often and I don’t argue with others on Rav even when a total stranger on the site decides to be freakin bitchy to me- (I’m talkin to you KG)  But the fact that I feel the need to censor myself makes me a little sick to my stomach… not to be melodramatic, but it is kinda like McCarthyism… I am so afraid of being associated with the wrong person or visiting the wrong site, that I am not carrying on business as usual.  And that sucks.  

I hope this all blows over soon.  I hope that the powers that be on Rav will remember that the site is about knitting and if silly little people want to bash each other back and forth for hours about who they voted for or didn’t vote for in the presidential election, then create a cage and let them go there-a seperate little NO RULES group where everyone can say anything and get away with it and no one goes crying to Casey to fix it.  Leave him and the others alone.  I want more patterns and cool features.  Screw the petty drama.  and to all the nasty, bitchy people on Ravelry- go SOMEWHERE else!! I don’t care what your beliefs are- you don’t have to be mean to perfect strangers for ANY reason.  Just cause you can type it instead of saying it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t hurt.  and just because all you see is a Ravatar doesn’t mean that their isn’t a real person sitting there behind that computer taking all your little typed words personally.  Just be nice.  The world outside is mean enough..let Ravelry be a happy place….

4 Comments leave one →
  1. March 17, 2009 2:17 am

    I’m sorry you’ve been affected by this Ravelry mess. I really am. It has affected literally hundreds of innocent people. And as a mod or “ring leader” of the group in question, it has affected my reputation greatly because the truth is we had a very good working relationship with Casey. We didn’t whine or complain to him and operated fully under the permissions and guidelines he gave us. The problem was with a group of admitted drama seekers who wanted us gone… and were not hesitant in the least to hassle Casey mercilessly. Unfortunately, although he admitted to us that the complaints were almost entirely petty and time-wasting, he decided closing our group would be the easiest way to deal with things.

    We have done nothing to create trouble for Rav off-site, and Casey was fully aware that we had set up another board for discussion. Personally, I actually chose to leave Rav quietly because of the treatment I received rather than blog or be public about it at the time. I have only spoken up now because it has affected so many and I felt it was important to share our side.

    The handling of this all has been terribly unprofessional and was done without careful reasoning or warning. I sincerely hope your friend’s issue will be resolved soon so you can enjoy your sock club. Best wishes, Tammy

  2. Mead permalink
    March 17, 2009 3:07 am

    I’d like to tell you not to be worried but Casey has been rather spontaneous in his choices. Most of the people who have been banned have not participated in political discussions since the Bunker was closed. Everything I’ve done at Ravelry this past month, I’ve done with hesitation. Even adding new yarns to their database.
    Your friend, Jen, if she joined our offsite, did so because she understood that what happened was incredibly unjust. I was not on the Bunker on a daily basis but I was on enough not to be fooled into thinking the moderators or the members are bad people. What little criticisms about the group that was made were due to oversensitivities. Like if we questioned Obama’s country of birth. Automatically, our rivals would go somewhere, link to us and call us racist. People really need to be more certain of people’s views before they call people racist. If I’m racist towards Obama, I’m racist towards myself. I’m very diverse and I can confidently say the Bunker loves me.
    If Casey were wise, he would have long ago taken the same approach others before him have taken. Allow moderators to keep troublemakers out of the groups. But no, he wants everything to be open.
    All in all, I don’t think he cares about a resolution, or he would not have banned everyone. By banning everyone, he’s saying that the troublemakers on the other side were never wrong.
    But…he already said we are a danger to Ravelry, so he’s already planted the seed that we are like internet terrorists. That includes your friend.

    I’m sorry.

  3. March 17, 2009 6:12 am

    Thanks, both of you ladies, for your eloquent comments and apologies (even though I don’t think that they should necessarily be coming from you!)…I hope that there is a solution, but I don’t even pretend to know what it is. Like I said before, I don’t see the problem with debating politics…even on a site like Rav…we all love our fiber arts, but it is interesting to see within that sphere what our different beliefs are. I hope that as the site continues to grow they will be more open to going with the flow… no more closing groups and no more suspended members, please! 🙂

  4. February 3, 2013 3:51 pm

    How did Casey have access to the IP addresses of people who accessed a site on the internet which is not owned by him? I don’t understand how he had all of the IP addresses of people who just went and looked at this other site? Can somebody explain this?

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